Interview with Reverend Dana Greeley
Interview with Reverend Dana Greeley


Production Team: C

Interview Date: November 22, 1985
Interview Place: Selma, Alabama
Camera Rolls: 561-563
Sound Rolls: 1527-1529

Interview gathered as part of Eyes on the Prize: America's Civil Rights Years (1954-1965).
Produced by Blackside, Inc.
Housed at the Washington University Film and Media Archive, Henry Hampton Collection.
Editorial Notes:

Preferred citation:
Interview with Reverend Dana Greeley, conducted by Blackside, Inc. on November 22, 1985, for Eyes on the Prize: America's Civil Rights Years (1954-1965). Washington University Libraries, Film and Media Archive, Henry Hampton Collection.

These transcripts contain material that did not appear in the final program. Only text appearing in bold italics was used in the final version of Eyes on the Prize.

INTERVIEW
FILM PRODUCTION TEAM:

Sound Roll 1527-1529, Camera Roll 561-563

CAMERA CREW MEMBER:

THIS IS CAMERA ROLL 561, SOUND 1527, PROGRAM SIX, SELMA, BLACKSIDE, 11/22/85.

QUESTION 1
INTERVIEWER:

OH, ACTUALLY LET ME [unintelligible] I'M SORRY. I FORGOT TO GIVE MY SPEECH. I'M SORRY. I'M SO ACCUSTOMED TO GIVING A LITTLE SPEECH BEFORE AND I FORGOT TO…

Rev. Dana Greeley:

[laughter] I haven't heard your speech before, you go ahead.

QUESTION 2
INTERVIEWER:

THIS IS MY LITTLE SPEECH: UM, MY VOICE IS NOT GOING TO BE HEARD, OK? UH, SO THAT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION TRY TO GIVE ME AS FULL AN ANSWER AS POSSIBLE. SO IF I SAY, UM, "WERE YOU WEARING BROWN SHOES THAT DAY?" YOU WERE SAYING, "THAT DAY I WAS WEARING BROWN SHOES BECAUSE BLAH BLAH." BECAUSE NOBODY WILL HEAR THE QUESTION THAT I ASK YOU.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Mmm-hmm. All right.

QUESTION 3
INTERVIEWER:

I'M GOING TO TRY VERY DILLIGENTLY TO KEEP YOU IN THE TIME PERIOD

Rev. Dana Greeley:

All right.

QUESTION 4
INTERVIEWER:

AND OTHER THAN THAT, UM…

Rev. Dana Greeley:

All right, I don't think my recollection of dates is very good.

QUESTION 5
INTERVIEWER:

REV. GREELEY, HOW DID YOU FIRST HEAR ABOUT THE ATTACK ON REVEREND REEB?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, we had a uh telegram first from uh, Martin Luther King of course, asking us all to come down, but I think that my first uh, word about the actual attack on Mar, on uh Jim Reeb was from Homer Jack who was on our staff at that time as Director of Social Responsibility. Actually he had called me that very evening in Philadelphia. I was at a uh, committee meeting in Philadelphia. He called me early in the evening to tell me that every thing was all right. He was there with quite a few of our uh ministers and lay people and uh, it was uh, c— considerably later the same night that he called me again to say that everything was not all right. So I guess it was by telephone uh, the uh, that night that I first heard about the attack on Jim Reeb himself.

QUESTION 6
INTERVIEWER:

DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ATTACK WAS ALL ABOUT AND…

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well no, I, I certainly didn't uh, have any context for it except the very serious situation. But uh, that that particular attack um, Jim Reeb died two days later I guess, that attack was on three young ministers who had been eating in the restaurant there and were attacked as er, on the sidewalk as soon as they came out of the restaurant. I knew the tenseness of the whole situation in that sense I was aware, but uh, I, I had no concept of what the particular confrontation was for. There was no, no specific purpose, I'm sure for that confrontation. Three uh, three uh, white men, was it three, who uh, who uh, resented these people being there attacked them just out of the blue, so to speak.

QUESTION 7
INTERVIEWER:

WOULD YOU TRY TO REMEMBER TO INCORPORATE THE QUESTION INTO YOUR ANSWER, IF YOU CAN?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Go ahead.

QUESTION 8
INTERVIEWER:

WHY DID JIM REEB GO TO SELMA?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, Jim Reeb went to Selma in uh, in response to that telegram that I received and that plenty of other people all over the country received from Martin Luther King. As soon as we heard that he wanted a large number of people from various denominations down there, we notified our ministers and Jim Reeb was uh, one of those who went. They went all of them of their own volition. But of course, to help in whatever way they could.

QUESTION 9
INTERVIEWER:

WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT I KNOW MANY MINISTERS WHO WERE ASKED BUT NOT ALL RESPONDED AND DECIDED TO GO. WHAT WOULD PROMPT THIS YOUNG MAN TO DECIDE THAT HE HAD TO GO?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, I, I think that uh, there were, uh, a large number of ministers at that time who felt a real concern and Jim Reeb was among those who would naturally respond to that kind of a, of a request. We certainly prompted them or prodded them, we didn't have to in most cases, they had a social conscience, they were interested in the uh Civil Rights Movement and committed to it and he among others responded very promptly. He'd been working in Roxbury in Boston uh, which was illustrative of his, uh, his concern I think for better race relations for the Civil Rights Movement. He was uh, working for a while with uh Duncan Howlett at All-Souls Unitarian Church in Washington, DC. And uh, his whole life, even at that early point had been dedicated to the kind of, of concern that the Civil Rights Movement represented.

QUESTION 10
INTERVIEWER:

NOW, AFTER REV. REEB DIED, YOU WENT TO SELMA, UM, AND I'M WONDERING AS YOU MADE YOUR DECISION TO GO, AGAIN, WAS IT A SITUATION YOU FELT YOU HAD TO GO THERE THEN BECAUSE OF THIS VICIOUS ATTACK ON REV. REEB?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Yes, I think we felt that we had to go there, uh, partly as a result of the vicious attack on uh, on uh, Reeb. But I will say that there'd been a considerable concern on our part with regard to the whole situation. I don't believe as many of us would've gone. I have to acknowledge this and we wouldn't have gone officially as a Unitarian Universalists Association Board of Trustees if it had not been for the attack on Jim Reeb. But I think that uh, that uh, we were there in spirit before that attack on Jim Reeb. Or, or, our three young ministers. And uh, uh, I, I would say that we would've been pretty well represented but not as widely represented of course. Uh, uh, except for that attack on, on those three young men.

QUESTION 11
INTERVIEWER:

WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE TO…

Rev. Dana Greeley:

I see. I see.

QUESTION 12
INTERVIEWER:

THE UNITARIAN CHURCH HAS ALWAYS HAD A, A LIBERAL TRADITION, WAS SELMA REALLY PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH WAS IN SOME SENSE?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, yes in some sense. In a fairly uh, um, direct sense I would say. I think that, uh, as a denomination, we had always been uh, certainly not uh, lagging behind maybe in the forefront uh, rather characteristically in the forefront in regard to race relations. I will say from the early part of the nineteenth century uh, on uh, they, there were pioneers among the uh, uh, Unitarians, very definitely so. And I, I would say that during the civil rights period, uh, there was a greater, a higher level of consciousness with regard to the, to the needs and the justice of the situations than, uh, than would be, than would represent the average population, of course.

QUESTION 13
INTERVIEWER:

WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER KING BEFORE SELMA?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

What did I know about Martin Luther King before Selma? You challenge me to uh, recall a little bit. I'm not sure that I knew a great deal about him before Selma. I'm quite sure that we had met, but I'm not sure uh, at the moment whether we had met more than once or twice. Uh, I think mat—I think Selma might have been up to that point, was my closest contact with him. We were together many times after that uh, in this country and at uh, the second uh, Pacem in Terris Conference in uh, in Geneva and uh, upon various occasions. But I think that that must have been my closest contact with him up to that point. I think I knew plenty about him, not plenty, never plenty about him, but I think I knew a, a good deal about him up to that point. And when, when this telegram came appealing to us to respond, it wasn't novel to me by any means. Either with respect to the cause, or with respect to him personally. I guess that's the best uh, recollection I can give you with regard to my acquaintance with him at that time. Actually, I, I should say that although I didn't know it, he attended my church in Boston quite a number of times when I was uh, preaching there and he was a student at the uh, Boston University School of Theology. I didn't realize who he was then of course, I'm sorry to say. I would've put him in the pulpit and sat in the pew.

QUESTION 14
INTERVIEWER:

IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME A REAL SHORT BLURB ABOUT UM I REMEMBER MARTIN LUTHER KING, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH AND YOU KNOW JUST AT THE BEGINNING THERE SO THAT I CAN HAVE THAT TO PICK UP WITH THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU… OK? IF YOU COULD JUST, JUST BEGIN THIS…

Rev. Dana Greeley:

I don't actually remember uh, right now, uh whether I had actually met Martin Luther King once or twice before Selma. Uh, certainly uh, my acquaintance with him at Selma was the, the most, uh, uh, extensive that I had had up to at that time, Or, uh, our engagement with each other was the most extensive up to that time. I had met him before once or twice, I guess I uh, uh, might recall that he attended my church. Martin Luther King attended as a student when he was at the Boston University School of Theology. I was preaching there and he and uh, a roommate or a couple of friends came in quite a number of times, they told me later, but uh, of course if I had known who he was then, I would've put him in the pulpit and sat in the pew no question about that.

QUESTION 15
INTERVIEWER:

UM, LATER AS YOU CAME TO KNOW HIM, DID HE INFLUENCE YOU IN ANY WAY, AND WHAT'S YOUR IMPRESSION OF HIM AS A MAN?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well of course he influenced me before I knew him uh, uh, because I knew about him. And uh, I will say that he, uh, always influenced me. That's a, that's an understatement. Later he influenced me most profoundly, I regarded him with great awe. Uh, we were together rather intimately a number of times, but I'll say as far back as Pacem in Terris II in Geneva, uh, it was with some hesitation that I suggested a few things to him. He wasn't, he wasn't received by, by the uh, statesmen, politicians—they thought they were statesmen at Pacem in Terris in Geneva anywhere nearly the way he ought to have been received as uh, a top American, if not the top American at that time. Later, everybody recognized his stature, his quality. But again and again he was not given, from my point of view, uh, by the rank and file, or by the leadership of the country much of it the, the respect or actual reverence that he should've had. I think, I hadn't known him very long, but what uh, I certainly had the highest regard for him or received inspiration from him. Or received inspiration from uh, from him. We, we …

QUESTION 16
INTERVIEWER:

WE JUST RAN OUT.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Just ran out, all right.

FILM PRODUCTION TEAM:

THIS IS, THIS IS SOUND 1528, CAMERA 562, 11/22/85, PROGRAM SIX, SELMA, INTERVIEW WITH GREELEY.

QUESTION 17
INTERVIEWER:

YOU WERE BEGINNING TO TELL ME YOUR IMPRESSION OF KING AS A MAN, AND I WONDERED IF YOU COULD BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND DESCRIBE YOUR FIRST MEETING WITH HIM REMEMBERING TO PUT HIS NAME IN THE SENTENCE FOR ME.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, you know, I actually don't know uh, when my first meeting, I don't know now when my first meeting with Martin Luther King came. Uh, I uh, I, I do remember being enormously impressed by him and that was, that was sometime before Selma. Uh, a couple of times, I'm sorry to say I can't pinpoint it, but uh, in the earliest uh, period of course I admired him enormously. Uh, I admired him from start to finish for the depth of his convictions and uh, for his almost stubbornness in uh defending those convictions. Allow me to uh, go tangentially a little, but it wasn't tangentially for him, uh, to speak of Vietnam, because so much pressure was put on him to uh, confine himself to uh, the Civil Rights Movement. But I uh, admired him uh, uh immeasurably for his following his convictions wherever they went. And he was just as important, well I can't say just as important, but almost as important in the uh, peace movement, uh, therefore, as he was in the Civil Rights Movement. Uh, I think that perhaps it was uh, not until the uh, Washington March that I felt really well acquainted with him. Uh, his, "I Have a Dream" speech uh, although, uh, after that and especially when he uh, addressed a uh, a, a Continental Assembly that we had in Hollywood, Florida and we had the opportunity to entertain him and his wife afterward in our apartment that I felt more intimately acquainted with him, but uh, from the, from start to finish with the utmost unqualified admiration.

QUESTION 18
INTERVIEWER:

YOU'VE GIVEN ME YOUR IMPRESSION OF HIM AS A LEADER, WHAT ABOUT AS A MAN?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

What did I think of him as a man? Well, a man and a leader aren't all that uh, separated from one another. He had, uh, leadership qualities beginning uh, with his own convic-convictions and commitment. Uh, extending into his oratorical, or uh, preaching and polemic power, uh which went together and as a person of integrity and uh, charisma, uh, intellectual ability, moral uh, strength, I'd say all those were part of the same person, if I may suggest that but they constituted Martin Luther King.

QUESTION 19
INTERVIEWER:

WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION OF SELMA WHEN YOU FIRST GOT TO THAT COMMUNITY?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

What was my impression of Selma when we first went there? We went there as a Board of Trustees officially, I think it was into the Catholic Church that we first went to be briefed by people who had gone there ahead of us and by one or two of the local people. Uh, I guess my mind was more on the uh, issue than it was on the community, although of course my impression of the community were, were uh, not unimportant either. We were introduced around. I uh, I was impressed by the fact that it was a somewhat uh, isolated or closed-in community. We spent the night, with uh, another man and I with a beautiful woman who was our hostess and gave us her bed and a couch and she slept on the floor, uh, I was uh, certainly most impressed as most grateful for her hospitality. And I guess that typified for me the hospitality of the uh, of the Black community there. So that that was a great experience for me, the first time I, I rather think that I had spent the night like that in a closed in um, um, close-knit black community. But the level of uh, of concern and commitment for everybody and the uh, the unity of the spirit uh, that was shared by all were equally important to me.

QUESTION 20
INTERVIEWER:

WHEN YOU GOT THERE, GOT ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF UH, OF DOING WHAT YOU COME TO DO IN SELMA, WHAT SPECIFICALLY WAS YOUR ROLE? HOW DID YOU BEGIN YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THAT MOVEMENT?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

What specifically was my role in Selma? Uh, you know that is a little while back, and though I continue to live on the inspiration of it, to a considerable extent I can't remember the detail. I remember uh, uh, working on the uh, uh, service for uh, James Reeb about five or six of us working together. Martin Luther King wasn't there at the time. He arrived later. I remember perhaps as vividly as that, the uh consultations in the Brown Chapel and the services or constant uh, worship and singing in the Brown Chapel. The place was packed. Uh, I spoke, others spoke, uh, the uh, the minister there presided, introduced us one at a time. Um, I guess that we already felt or almost immediately felt assimilated or oriented to the cause and to the group. So outstanding in my mind, are uh, were, were the uh, the uh, orientation that was given to us by a number of uh local people and our own advance guard in that Catholic Church when we first arrived the, the meetings in the Brown Chapel one succeeding another, but, but full of great enthusiasm and great commitment. Absolutely wonderful and a third, would be, no, the third would be the arranging of the service, the fourth, the service. The fifth, uh, of course at the Selma line and the confrontation there, I remember speaking with uh, with Wilson rather uh, rather uh, resolutely and trying to get a compromise with regard to ‘marching to the uh, courthouse. We finally did get a compromise. Clark was unyielding, uh, Wilson Baker was uh, was certainly more open and rational. Those are the things that stand out in my mind.

QUESTION 21
INTERVIEWER:

I WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE SPECIFICS OF UH, THAT CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH WILSON BAKER ABOUT ALLOWING YOU TO MAKE THAT MARCH TO THE COURTHOUSE.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, uh, I broke out of the line. I don't know how I got through the uh, posse there, but uh, the two or three of us apparently were beyond the posse and talking with Wilson Baker and, and Jim Clark. And uh, one of them said to me, I guess it was Wilson Baker that he was, uh, I asked him why he, uh, was, was so adamant in disrespect and he said he was committed to uh, carry out the laws of the uh, of the state of Alabama. And I said, what about the laws of the uh, United States of America and the Bill of Rights of the Constitution? And he said, well, uh, I guess that, I guess that's my job too, something like that. But then we did have to talk uh uh quite a bit about the uh, about marching. They had said that there would be no marching of course, absolutely no marching. Uh, then I think, some of us said, can't five go abreast. Well, I don't remember the detail of this, but I finally said, I think it was, can't three abreast go on the sidewalk? And uh, uh, I think he said let's, as I'm answering this question, it occurs to me that he said, Let's go off and talk about this later. And we did talk about it later, I guess over at the Brown Chapel and uh, he came back and said, Well, you can do two or three abreast on the sidewalk. And uh, then he protected us for that uh, for that march to the courthouse.

QUESTION 22
INTERVIEWER:

SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU WERE A LITTLE TOUGH AND A LITTLE ANGRY WITH HIM AT THAT POINT.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, uh, there, there is a picture that shows me with my finger pointing at him, but uh, I uh, I was a little persistent maybe, uh, I'm sorry to say that I wasn't sufficiently educated to know what his position was going to be or why he had to adhere to it. So I was a little persistent, but uh, there were others who, who of course were the same way. And uh, I felt that we gained something.

QUESTION 23
INTERVIEWER:

DESCRIBE TO ME WHAT THE SELMA WALL WAS AND WHY IT WAS THERE.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, the Selma wall was there to prevent there going uh, uh, to the courthouse or beyond that point. It was just a confrontation uh, Jim Clark had his posse there and and it really was like a uh, well it was a military confrontation from his point of view. Uh, with a group that was totally pacifist of course, like in so many other situations, they never uh …

QUESTION 24
INTERVIEWER:

WE JUST RAN OUT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO… I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO PICK THAT UP. YES. YES. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY YOU WERE ANGRY EVEN BUT …

Rev. Dana Greeley:

…went over there, and Homer wanted to go down again, and he went down last, uh, on the anniversary. But now what about uh, Viola Liuzzo, Liuzzo …

CAMERA CREW MEMBER:

THIS IS, THIS IS SOUND ROLL 1529, CAMERA ROLL 563, 11/22/85, PROGRAM SIX, SELMA, 1116, INTERVIEW WITH GREELEY.

QUESTION 25
INTERVIEWER:

OK, I WANT YOU TO PICK UP AND BEGIN AGAIN AND TELL ME WHAT THE SELMA WALL WAS AND WHY IT WAS THERE.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Why was the Selma wall there in the first place? Well, it was there to uh, to contain the uh, the uh, black community and the whites that had come from the North and not to have them go to the Courthouse. But it was really a confrontation of course that that uh, was uh, representing force on one side, and, and completely pacifist positions on the other side, which I think uh, has happened again and again in history but certainly Jim Clark and Wilson Baker didn't, didn't realize they actually felt threatened I suppose by the uh, by the black and white together on one side of the Selma Wall and uh, I say have no consciousness, uh how, how non-violent the uh, the blacks and whites together on the other side of the wall would be. But, as soon as we went down there, we were introduced to the Selma Wall and our youngest, uh, representatives plus our, our oldest in their 80s took their turns uh, through the night and uh, during the day to to keep their vigil at the Selma Wall which was very important syl-symbolically. And, and not, not back up, but uh, testify and uh, and ultimately they, they won, they won their cause so it was certainly worth while from that point of view.

QUESTION 26
INTERVIEWER:

SO YOU WERE TAKING A SHIFT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT SOMETIMES JUST KEEPING UH…

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Yes, yes they did, uh, and I did. Uh, I guess I was late at night and early in the morning, but uh, we had an elderly judge, uh, who was in his early 80s from Massachusetts who got up about 5 o'clock in the morning to take his shift. I was very impressed of course, everybody was eager to take, his, his turn, at the vigil and, and not allow any break, so to speak, in the witness.

QUESTION 27
INTERVIEWER:

YOU, UH, HINTED AT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF YOU COULD BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT COMPARING UH, JIM CLARK AND WILSON BAKER.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, I found uh, uh, Jim Clark and Wilson Baker to be somewhat different. I'm sure they had their own tensions uh, themselves between them, themselves. But uh, Jim Clark, I, I think was adamant uh, and uh, couldn't see beyond his own philosophy and practice. Whereas Wilson Baker, it seemed to me, uh, although at first I thought he was just as rigid, was really trying to understand another point of view. He certainly had the capacity to uh, to uh, realize that uh, we were thinking differently from the way he was thinking and that we might have not, not have been all that malicious. Uh, so, so uh, I was pleased of course when he ultimately did listen. I mean you have to listen in the first place to understand and then I think he understood and uh, we rather thought he uh, was a, a reasonable man when he finally said, go ahead and march on the sidewalk. Uh, whatever it was, two or three abreast, I guess it was three. I was marching with, uh, I think, uh, Walter Reuther and uh, Archbish-bishop Iakovos of the, of the uh, Greek Orthodox Church. I guess there were three of us abreast.

QUESTION 28
INTERVIEWER:

YOU GAVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF IT EARLIER AGAIN BUT I WANT MORE OF WHAT THE FEELING WAS AT THE MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR REV REEB. HERE WAS A MAN WHO HADN'T HAD MUCH TIME TO KNOW VERY MANY PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY AND I HAVE THE SENSE THAT IT WAS QUITE SPECIAL THAT MEMORIAL SERVICE IN THE CHAPEL. COULD YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT THAT LIKE?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Well, uh, the memorial service for Jim Reeb I'd have to say was one of the high points in my life. Partly because, uh, of course, the uh, the cause that was represented uh, partly because of the participation of so many people uh, black and white together. It was a tremendous experience. Uh, a very good friend of mine was then the Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, Elliot Richardson, later became Attorney General of the United States and uh, Secretary of State and Ambassador to Britain. He wasn't known then, but I had the privilege of introducing him at that service, uh, to others and there was a great sense of a national impact I think both religiously and politically being made at that time. Well, uh, certainly it was important to me to realize later on that it made that impact at the White House, uh, and on the Congress and uh led to the important legislation that it did. The high point in the Civil Rights Movement, now there were others who were in a sense had been martyred as much as Jim Reeb was, but Jim Reeb, uh Jim Reeb's death seemed to be the climax and to occasion, uh both uh, in Selma the experience that all of us had, and in Washington the response that was elicited.

QUESTION 29
INTERVIEWER:

DO YOU THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A WHITE MAN?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

I think it was partly because he was a white man, uh, pathetically. I mean, it it, perhaps took that to make the uh, impact that was made. Uh, but it was also the accumulation of martyrdoms and of witness and the time was ripe undoubtedly for uh, for uh his sacrifice and uh, a tragic thing, but when you look back how could a person have done more for a great cause than he did?

QUESTION 30
INTERVIEWER:

WHAT ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS OF STANDING AT THE CAPITOL STEPS UH, IN MONTGOMERY AFTER THE FINAL MARCH AFTER ALL OF THIS IS OVER, TO SOME EXTENT, UH, AND THERE'S UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING GIVING THIS SPEECH ABOUT UH, NOT LONG WE MUST HANG ON, STILL IN THE SEASON OF SUFFERING. AND I WONDER WHAT THAT WAS LIKE TO STAND THERE, UH.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

I think we had both a great sense of victory and a great sense of frustration. Uh, you couldn't help uh, feeling so much had been accomplished. That successful march and uh, so many people gathered again uh, tremendous uh, crowds. The sense of frustration and uh, near hopelessness was uh, as a result of seeing the Confederate flag flying still uh, on the uh Capitol building and not being able to get uh the Governor for whom you had a certain sense of disdain at that point, how could you help it, to negotiate or, or be visible even. But uh, that combination of a great sense of achievement and of victory uh, plus frustration was a, an almost uh, epic making experience. It was a crucial time of course, very crucial time.

QUESTION 31
INTERVIEWER:

OK, WANT TO STOP THERE? THAT'S IT FOR ME, HENRY. THAT'S ENOUGH.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Fine.

CAMERA CREW MEMBER:

DO YOU MIND DOING ONE MORE THERE? JUST ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION?

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Right now? My feeling as to how it was done, or why it was done or, whether it was done sincerely, or whatever…

CAMERA CREW MEMBER:

YEAH, UH, I GUESS, DO YOU PUT YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT YOUR PEERS AND WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR THEM TO GET INVOLVED.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Yeah, uh, do you want me to start right in?

QUESTION 32
INTERVIEWER:

YES.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Uh, one looks back and wonders, uh, uh, why there was such a tremendous gathering at Selma, why there was representation on such a fairly high level really, religiously speaking. I think that the uh, by and large the uh, the uh, major white denominations uh, so to speak, had been slow to catch on to the need, the crisis. Martin Luther King's appeal to them to be present, to be represented certainly was, was very meaningful, did elicit a response but I myself was surprised to see a few people there that I thought were there partly uh, to be uh, photographed, included in the, in the news reports. And I can't help believing that it was uh, both sincerity and earnestness, commitment on the one hand, and a, and a popular response, uh to be in the limelight on the other hand. But, but that always the case I guess, you have the mixture. And certainly it did the people that were there enough good so that you would rejoice that they responded even if they responded with less King, less, uh, uh, uh, earnestness and commitment than King had and C.T. Viv-Vivian and the rest of them. So uh, I was a little, uh, I, I was uh, I was certainly enormously grateful for the response, but uh, and, and my justification, I might not have responded I suppose, I hate to say this, but I might not have responded if it hadn't had been for Jim Reeb as one of my ministers you see. Uh, you, you learn a lot of things painfully slowly. Uh, but uh, on the other hand, I, I do uh want to say as I'm asked again and again that by and large, uh, that group of ministers and the Unitarian Universalist Movement had been neared the front line than most bodies. So that I think that there was a, a natural response from our constituency.

QUESTION 33
INTERVIEWER:

WE JUST RAN OUT.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

Did you? All right. Is that all right?

QUESTION 34
INTERVIEWER:

IS THAT OK FOR YOU TOO? OK. OH, THANK YOU.

Rev. Dana Greeley:

You're more than welcome. Delighted to see you. Thank you very much.